messages to jesbohn:
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from kitty-clawz :
wow it's been a long time since you'd written last. i just saw your entry today (Mar.16/08) i secretly wondered what had happened to you. disappointing there's nothing to debate in your new entry. but i'm glad to see you're still an amazing writer. you should be proud to know that you still have a fan base. :)
from boxx9000 :
♥ HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY ♥
from chantelrenee :
Thanks for the add... it was quite a nice surprise. I've always wanted to go to Disneyworld, but right now I'm saving up for Europe.
from island- :
Are you sure I overpaid? Bearing in mind that it's for two people flying from Europe?
from boxx9000 :
1qw1950qw....now you have to destroy TWO messages!!!! hehehehehe
from boxx9000 :
boxx9000 1qw1950 (please destroy after you memorize it! hehehehehe TOP SECRET!!!)
from dragonwench :
lol, I laughed my ass off, man, don't even worry about it. ;)
from boxx9000 :
email me if you'd like my password. I'm locked. I need you opinion on USA helping illegal Mexicans and killing Iraqis.
from jt76 :
I'm having trouble accessing your diary. Did you change something?
from tattooed-gem :
Happy Valentine's Day, Jes! Love, Jess
from jt76 :
Saying that I think you're irrational wasn't the right thing to say- saying I don't agree with your rationale would be better. Poor choice of words on my part. Although I think I know what your reasons are, I am curious as to why exactly you think eating meat is immoral. Also, if you think eating meat is wrong, how then can you say that I am making a rational choice by doing so? I may have reasons, but they are reasons you obviously think don't hold any weight. So wouldn't they therefore be irrational?
from jt76 :
and I guess that is the point I am trying to make- to you, they seem irrational. Hell, to most people they seem irrational. I think vegetarians are irrational for not eating meat, and you, being a vegetarian, may think I am morally bankrupt because I do. I doubt you'd ever be able to persuade me to stop eating meat, unless you were to tell me my great Aunt Beatrice had been reincarnated into the flank steak I was eating, but then that would open up an entirely new bag of worms. Point being, unless there is concrete proof- and I am not talking about majority rules- I will not buy into the idea of a perfectly right moral ideal. I think everything is varying shades of gray. Granted, murder is pretty damn near pitch black, but you get what I am saying.
from jt76 :
<i>"Shouldn't there be a quest for an authority beyond what society tells us?"</i> I guess when you used that sentence, I assumed that an 'authority' would mean some higher force beyond mankind. So you're saying that at this time, you don't know if abortion is right or wrong, but there are a LOT of people who have very concrete ideas on this issue. And I just don't believe that at some point in the future that a 'correct' answer is somehow found, that the people on the opposing side would suddenly admit they're wrong and change their position. The bottom line is that some people think they are justified in getting an abortion, and there are others who vehemently think it is morally abhorent- it is simply a matter of perception, circumstance etc etc etc. What is 'right' for one person isn't always 'right' for everyone.
from jt76 :
OK, so if we are going to pursue this higher authority, how do we define what the higher authority is? If we are looking beyond the bounds of society (which is to say outside the laws we have created for ourselves), where are we looking? As much as I hate to bring it up, take abortion for example. Is it right or is it wrong? Lawmakers are having a tough time deciding on that because society is divided on whether we think its a morally acceptable practice. Should we bring a child into the world despite the fact that the parent is incapable of provining that child with a good life? And don't say adoption- because there are thousands and thousands of babies that go up for adoption every year that don't get adopted, most of them black. So then do we say that only white parents can put their children up for adoption?
from jt76 :
I think the two are similar because of one word you used to decribe objectivism: What 'ought' to be. People are always going to have different ideas on what ought to be, so how can you search for truth in that concept?
from zap-jocelyn :
did you ever get your user name and password?
from halfbaked :
Look at what you wrote... you must be stressed out or angry at something... sorry if I'm that something...
from halfbaked :
Just have fun, there's no reason to be so stressed out about it...
from halfbaked :
How do you plan to wage war against an ideal... you are going against people because of what they think, because of what the believe, because of how they were taught... religion doesn't kill people... stupidity kills people... you have to understand that people are responsible for there own hateful actions, religion shouldn't be an excuse... the devil didn't make them do anything... they made the choice... they pulled the trigger... It's the kind of people they are... you are fighting a battle that has no enemy, because if god doesn't exist then you can't kill him (or her) you are fighting fiction, you are fighting a storybook fantasy... You are going against something in someone else head... and if I choose to believe in it, then will you call me evil, kill me and cast me aside so easily? you are fighting against others freedom to be as crazy as they want to be... you are fighting against someone's choice to believe... religion never hurt anyone, real flesh and blood people hurt them... and if they hate you because you're not christian, then what's the point it hating them because they are?
from halfbaked :
Well it was only simple feedback, you just interpreted it for giving you a hard time... either way I was just asking what the point into why you should be so angry with people that actually don't effect you... I don't see how it could effect you unless you let it... I doubt that you'll lose a limb in a sushi bar over someone else's religious beliefs... then again I don't know what wrong others have done to you... and in actuality I really don't care... I was just interested... decided to note... You don't need to play Jesus and be high on a cross... I never really did like that holier than thou impression...
from halfbaked :
I'm also proud to see that some of your products are made in the US - just leaving a compliment...
from halfbaked :
Well... the Bible is a good piece of literature, even if it's mostly if not all fiction... if you are Atheist, and don't believe... then why should you care if others mindlessly flock? Why care what religious nuts think or call sins... I doubt you'll stop their world from spinning as it is the center of the universe, you know... If you are your own person(people) then why should you care what others think - why let them bring you down? If the subject of abortion, probably won't stop being argued in your life time... then why not just be solid in you decision, and move forward... A rose by any other name wouldn't be a rose... (i.e., if roses were called danglefurns... then they would be danglefurns and not roses...) - not arguing the point that they would smell as sweet... Just high on inhalants (i.e., Glue... lots and lots of glue...) passing by... interesting ranting though... all i can say is - it's life, we do the best we can... just don't stress out on life's little flaws... they make it interesting...
from boxx9000 :
MERRY DECEMBER 25th 2005!!!!
from jellehbelleh :
thanks for leaving me a note...I'm not so irritated anymore, I passed my final so all is well in my world :)
from sexyatheist :
it's a different guy jes. i think i've luckily missed any correspondence with the lovely gentleman who left you that message. however, you do occasionally still get messages from the man who left me my super awesome message
from sixelasauce :
i heart jess...you are awesome. enough said
from sexyatheist :
it was all me. jimmy thought it looked okay but didn't care. so i dragged him along. i thought it looked awesome. so i wasn't let down. and yeah, the charlize factor helps.
from sexyatheist :
well, i haven't seen the animated episodes in a LONG time, so i probably had less expectations. charlize was beautiful and i liked the story and the lead guy was hot in a grungy sort of way. i hope i don't recommend it and then you hate it.
from jesbohn :
OH MAN! I purchased the Aeon Flux animated collection. I'm glad you liked it. I want to see it, but I heard it BLEW. I think I might just go after work one day instead of waiting to make plans for the weekend that will probably fall through anyway. But then again, only major dorkmos go by themselves. But then again, I'm a major dorkmo. Oh what a world.
from sexyatheist :
i know you're a fan of the sci-fi movies and i'm not sure if you even want to see aeon flux but i have to tell you, i loved it. and the more i think about it, the more awesome i think it was.
from gumphood :
Happy Birthday you Dirty Pirate Hooker.
from curiouoso :
Dear Jess, I know approximately how old you are. This is a virtual list, right? As in NOT REAL, right. YOu seem intelligent, usually, so virtually you could be any age. No matter, I wouldn't try to twist your arm, it's not important. That why in real life I'd only stick to women in thier late thirtys or more. Not to mention I don't period, as I'm happily married. Perhaps a topic for you is "Virtual Morals" or like that book of western heritage, the bible, where the argument is made that thinking a trandgression is the same as commiting a transgression. In that case plead for me to be saved from Hell! Your online friend, Curiouoso*
from dragonwench :
I'm two months shy of 24
from your-fitness :
hello! sorry i know you left me a note a few months ago, i wasn't working out very much and so not writing and not checking my notes. boo me. anyway thanks for your note nad yes, the program actually lets you put in if you have some hand weights or exercise ball and that kind of thing. It won't always work it into the routine but I always keep them handy. It's so much easier to do crunches on the exercise ball, especially with my bad back.
from gumphood :
asiwas (MW eshaboody) <------- review that diary. Thats the magic word, which is stupid. If the diary is old, mock it. I mean totally just take it and either 1) get into how bad or dumb it is or 2) mock the crap out of it in a funny readable way. I'm not like a diary that is out to make people cry, but I will make fun of someone to make others laugh. Best Example: I'm not the guy that trips the retarded kid, I'm the one that whispers to my friend "He's training for the special olympic hurdles" after I see it happen. Keep that in mind.
from jt76 :
I would be honored!... or humbled... or whatever. Screw it- any other chance to get up on a soap box is good enough for me!
from anarchy-x :
www.biblefraud.com
from anarchy-x :
I am also a Atheist, and love to pick on the bible and it's contents. It's filled with to many flaws to be based on "Real" events.You should check out http://www.joshuabooks.com/bushby/biblefraud/internalgif/fraud.htm. It totally tears apart the bible. well-----peace
from goldieknox03 :
hey. YOur fucking hilarious. I love your views on abortion. and also on that sarah girl who was ignorant.
from gumphood :
Bee7D: dude chill?.. i feel like you tried to hijack me into a "dude where's my car" video <----- this is hilarious. How up on pop culuter is bee7d
from thegoodbiboy :
Thought I'd just say hi and tell you I saw a banner for you that said, "Bohner? Bohner!" or something along those lines. It made me laugh! It was funny (that's why I laughed, ya' see?). Have a good weekend.
from jt76 :
While the transcripts of the trial are available, how many of the people out there spouting off about the collective idiocy of the jury do you think really went through and read all of it? Hell, most of the jurors admitted they think he's guilty, but it isn't about what they think, its about what the prosecution can prove. And in this case, they coudn't prove much of anything. You've got MJ and his team on one side of the isle contending that nothing lurid happened, and you've got a gold digging mom and her son on the other claiming he did. No one can prove anything except that MJ is a sick fuck, and that this kid's mom is a case study in greed. http://jt76.diaryland.com/050509_15.html
from jt76 :
Thought I'd drop a line saying hello. I added you to my faves list after finding you through your banner. Its so nice to find other inteligent athiests out there.
from thegoodbiboy :
That's OK, I don't think anyone outside of philosophy is paying much attention!!! You're still pretty awesome, though!
from thegoodbiboy :
That's the answer. Is this some sort of philo. urban legend or something????!!!!
from thegoodbiboy :
You're welcome, I like it a lot. And nice job on the new hair style. Keep up the good work. Hot girl with a brain, gotta love it. Hey, I'm just saying.
from thegoodbiboy :
I'm an ass. I misread your note. I think you're very awesome. An 8 or 9 out of 10 for awesomeness. You probably put yourself at 10 out 10. There are no 10s, anywhere. I'll keep reading. Eight or nine out of 10 is still pretty awesome.
from thegoodbiboy :
You think you're way awesome. But I like you anyway! You're also way cool. I sound like Fonzie.
from sourballs123 :
School is fine. Boring but I find myself learning. Excluding science.
from boxx9000 :
I didn't forget, but sometimes I do need a reminder. I made a correction to my latest diary entry. I REMEMBERED!! (remind me to pay you later)
from curiouoso :
By request, my presence! Y0u are t00 c00l even if y0u might be c0mplely Pseud0. ( I really d0n't think that). See N0w I'm c00l t00, thanks t0 y0u! Wh0 can read that crap anyway? And why would you want to be that "c00l" anyway, when real intelligence is "HOT"? I'll be finished with the 101 things by Sunday, (this week,month,and year!) but of course you'll just have more questions cause I'm so wonderful and you'll want to know how it went so horribly wrong! It can happen to you too, you know, one day you wake up and find out you're everything you despised, a fat faced (complete with jowls) redneck A**hole who lusts inapproprately after the "opposite sex" (Thank God for small favors), swears, drinks and doesn't smoke or chew, the only thing I stuck to when I told my Great Aunt, when I was 5, that I had no vices! BTW, thats my run-on sentence and I'm stickin to it, so if you don't like it, write your own. Curiouoso*
from naivereact :
can you give me advice for some direction in life?
from cinnamon1j :
Thanks hon.
from boxx9000 :
YES, I'm in California. Sonoma County. WINE country.
from boxx9000 :
HEY....It's Christmas! I hope you have a Merry (meat free, unless it is leftovers) Christmas. Wishing you LOTS of health and happiness in the New Year. Was Santa good to you this year? ~Love, BoXx
from cinnamon1j :
Massachusetts
from cinnamon1j :
That's how I feel too. I feel many wives are pressured. Men still rule in many ways. It's sick
from cinnamon1j :
NO need to apologize. I'm ok. LOL
from boxx9000 :
I used to truly believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy and Jesus. I don't any more. IF anyone WANTS to believe in those things it is OK with me. However, I don't and that should be OK, too. You're OK, I'm OK. Hey, wasn't that a book?
from sexyatheist :
i agree completely. (that i'm hot). but this is not new. any particular reason you felt like reminding me? you sexy beast you
from breathtaken1 :
Ok, I have a sincere question for you. If you truly did believe in God, and now you don't, that is a pretty dramatic, 180* change. Was there something which caused this? Or was it a case of your growing up and discovering that which made more sense to you? It is not uncommon for people to be religious, drift away, maybe drift back at some point. But to be a theist, and then an atheist, is a different thing. I am curious about this, if there is some simple answer...
from breathtaken1 :
You know, I used those numbers because you used them in the note you left me. I totally agree that the number of people on your side means nothing. But if you can say that being only 5% means you are more open minded, I can just as easily use it to say you are missing something. And I don't know what it left to discuss anyway. We are not going to agree on this point.
from breathtaken1 :
I have responded to your note in my diary.
from blackpanty :
and sorry about the double post... damn computers!
from jesbohn :
It's just as easy to say something does exist if you close your eyes and pretend it is.
from breathtaken1 :
I got your note...sorry if I touched a sore spot. I really do respect your right to believe or not believe whatever you want. And I will concede that I do not know everything about you. But you do not know me either. I am old enough to be your mother, hence in my 45 years I have been in, out and all around "my world." You don't know what I have done, haven't done, who I know, what I have read...etc. You get the picture. My point is this, atheists may be convinced there is no God. The rest of us are equally convinced there is. But neither one of us can either prove or disprove our own or anyone else's belief. In my experience, however, the atheists I have known have been young, inexperienced, and devoid of any formal religious education of any kind. It is easy to say something does not exist if you just close your eyes and insist it isn't there. And frankly, and this is just an observation of people I have known, not a blanket statement, they wereso wrapped up in their own intelligence and education that they percieve themselves so above the masses, that they don't want to believe in a higher power. It is as if it is a threat to their own prowess. Again, not talking about you, just people I have known. For me, my faith was cemented during trips to Rome, viewing artifacts from the time of Christ and early Christians, etc. Not trying to change your mind, just offering the only kind of concrete proof I can, seeing as how the "lack" of it seems to be the thing which drives most atheists. Just anecdtal here -- but it reminds me of someone I dated years and years and years ago while he was in UCLA Law School. Atheist. All the way. Part of why I broke up with him was that he was adamant that no child of his would EVER attend a religious school. Ever. Well, I ran into him about 10 years ago...yup, all three of his kids were in religious school. And he was going to church. I don't know what was in his mind or heart, but he bore no resemblance at all to the man in his early 20's I had known. And the religious school was his idea and he was passionate about it. Sooo. Maybe in 25 years, you will reflect on this and see if you still feel exactly as you do today. You may.
from naivereact :
your entry on Target, you mentioned some receipt codes and I did my best to decipher.
from affiliate19 :
Thanks for the note. To me, god is absolutely zero. Everything we add to that zero in order for us to percieve and feel and try to understand it takes it further from what it is. Every aspect we attach to better define and label god limits what it truly is. Even zero, really. But for me, zero is the best concept I can deal with atm.
from gumphood :
Happy Birthday. Post menapause...yes. Pre...no
from jimmysworld :
I saw the pictures of you. YOu could be in porn.
from boxx9000 :
02?! Where is my mind these days. I have surely lost it. YES! I meant '82! HAPPY #22 BIRTHDAY!
from boxx9000 :
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! 11-11-02? You're 12 days older than my son.
from sourballs123 :
i think my parents would like me more
from coeurfragile :
If you'd like, though it's not very exciting -- just the family rants of a high school student :) access / granted. - Minka
from gumphood :
whats weird is I am all the way down there.
from jimmysworld :
what's the worst pick up line a guy has ever used on you?
from gumphood :
10 days?
from kitty-clawz :
what pic? i've forgotten what i might've said to you!! lol i'm out of it!
from gumphood :
okay. diarlynad sucs? Huh? Anyway, many want Kerbang and I to fight. If I were a teacher what subject would you want me to teach?
from dlandsucks :
I am leaving diaryland, its a sad day. I just wanted to tell you, youre are like, the coolest girl ever. are you really a girl? i think you are. love forever, dan.
from sourballs123 :
i thinks it funny when you tell them you heard them talking about you i hope that bitch trips and breaks her skanky face
from dlandsucks :
Excellent plan indeed. This is Dan the man signing off. You can IM me I guess. I am not really tech advanced. Let me know how one gets to know one.
from dlandsucks :
hey! you have a girlfriend and a boyfriend?! hmm, be my pal? i am already yours. love forever, dan.
from dlandsucks :
awesome. i am happy for you leaving work. i wants to get to know ya. hehe.
from dlandsucks :
Hey Jes, sorry you are at work. I am stuck goint to school in florida. I am from the mid west though. I live in miami now. It is hell. Hell, hell hell. Hell. I am moving asap. I saw your picture, you look lovely.
from dlandsucks :
Thanks, my new pants are like a size 4 womens. I am Dan by the way. I think you are a Jes. What shakin Jes!?
from dlandsucks :
I ussually dont like girls and their fucked up views of men and life. You are like the hot female version of a guy. Id so bohne you.
from boxx9000 :
I like your diary because it makes me think. Are you a law student? When do you graduate?
from kerbang :
dear jesbohn.diaryland.com: forgive my late response, i was working you see, teaching this English class at a local university. i usually save a certain amount of time during my office hours for responding to diaryland notes, but this one student keeps coming in and asking me questions, and of course my students come first. (there is a delightful pun/innuendo i could now make, but in the interests of good taste, i will not.) Cheers, Kerbang.
from jimmysworld :
raindrops on roses....
from gumphood :
you are correct. It was a direct refrence to that entry. I had a whole section devoted to you and being a twat, and a picture of you vs a female reproduction unit, and showing the inconsistancies. It was funny, but come one now..the entry was long anyway, and I didn't want to loose my ENTIRE reading audience.
from sourballs123 :
i think if they didnt come i would still go to their funeral because they put up with me all those years
from jesbohn :
Uhh, I dont' want to hurt your feelings, but that was not eloquent. You should try again.
from karamazov :
Hmm...maybe you’re just a vindictive little bitch who thinks she’s hot shit because she can impress a bunch of retards on the internet. Get over yourself. You’re not all that smart, witty, or charming. Oh, and maybe you should buy yourself a dictionary, if you have a such a problem with big words.
from sourballs123 :
don't you hate it when assholes like karamazov shit up your message pages
from sourballs123 :
mine is turning 11 and she still manages to piss me off
from dragonwench :
*wooooo* sweeeet.
from sourballs123 :
Then apperently July is a month for stupid movies presidents and states. Yea!
from karamazov :
Well, in that case, I have even less of a right to call myself a philosopher. I will be entering college next year. Maybe I can fit a philosophy course or two into my schedule.
from jesbohn :
annnnnd, not to nit pick, but I am a student. my major is philosophy. I am NOT a philosopher any more than a med student is a doctor. I think calling myself a philosopher takes away from the, I dunno, dignity of the profession. just FYI.
from karamazov :
Why should I have to accept your framework? How can you, as an atheist, maintain such a metaphysical belief in reason? And I was just trying to add the perspective of someone other than myself by quoting Nietzsche. There’s nothing wrong with that, and by the same token, you haven’t automatically won just because I broke a supposed taboo of philosophical debate.
from karamazov :
As for Rawls' veil of ignorance...You cannot divorce yourself from your own humanity. All rationalist definitions of morality fail to answer the question of why we should be moral in a Godless universe and do not account for the relativism of the words "good" and "bad," "moral" and "immoral." I have never met this archetypal "rational man." If you know where he is, I would like to meet him. I'm not saying we should disassociate reason from morality, but we have to recognize that reason alone is not a sufficient basis for morality.
from karamazov :
Oh, and I don't think I confused Augustine/Aquinas. I meant to convey that Augustine supported such a compatability
from karamazov :
sorry, I meant to quote this one from Nietzsche: “We have fixed up a world for ourselves in which we can live–assuming bodies, lines, planes, causes and effects, motion and rest, form and content: without these articles of faith, nobody now would endure life. But that does not mean that they have been proved. Life is no argument; the conditions of life could include error.”
from karamazov :
“Philosopher’s error–The philosopher supposes that the value of his philosophy lies in the whole, in the structure; but posterity finds its value in the stone which he used for building, and which is used many more times after that for building–better. Thus it finds the value in the fact that the structure can be destroyed and nevertheless retains value as building material.” -Nietzsche
from karamazov :
First of all, let me say that I am thoroughly fascinated with your diary and with the philosophical depth you evince (although I’ve only given it a cursory read). But I disagree with you on the concept of free will. From a religious perspective, the Augustinian view of free will and divine foreknowledge is untenable and absurd. If God is omnipotent, there can be no free will. Of course this would adumbrate that God is in part evil and that his judgment is both illogical and malevolent. He’s a sort of mad scientist, a sadist, an artist really who revels in the aesthetic phenomenon of his creation, meting out salvation and damnation according to his arbitrary whims. Calvin, though certainly a dour, loathsome son of a bitch, understood that any idea of free will undermines the idea of God’s omnipotence, and thus he chose to abandon free will, though making Christianity even uglier and more unpalatable in the process. I suppose God and freewill could peacefully coexist under the Spinozan conception of God, as an embodiment of truth and beauty unaware of and uninvolved in human existence. Now, I’m assuming you’re an atheist, considering that it’s very difficult to be a serious philosopher these days if you’re not. On what grounds do you espouse the idea of free will? I will offer my counterargument: The idea of free will is a semantic error that has its roots in the most egregious and primitive of philosophical fallacies that dates at least back to Plato: the idea of the neumenon, the thing in itself. When Descartes said, in his famous exercise in Cartesian doubt, “Cogito, ergo sum,” he made the fatal mistake of assuming the existence of the ego, the self. What he should have said is this: “There are thoughts, therefore there is [something].” The idea of the soul, the self as an indivisible monad, while nice and necessary for our own sanity–otherwise we’d give way to schizophrenia–has no rational basis. There is no self that governs the self, because if this were so, that self would have to have a self, and that self would have to have a self, ad absurdum. As Nietzsche points out: there is no free will, just stronger wills and weaker wills. This is my first ground for the repudiation of free will, essentially a semantic one. My second ground is a scientific/materialist one. From what I’ve read, you seem like a good rationalist, not given to a belief in the supernatural or paranormal or “spiritual” in the sense of something that exists outside spatio-temporal reality (there is one substance, the material, and if this material can produce Shakespeare, well then who needs the spiritual?). Now science has not yet evolved to the point where it can understand the workings of the brain, nor do I think that it ever will. I think the human mind will remain the eternal domain of philosophy, and better yet, literature. Nevertheless, theoretically, it would be possible for science to determine a set of “laws” that govern thought. After all, the brain is only a miraculous composition of atoms, like everything else. Human beings are not superior to nature. They have no more free will than an apple falling from a tree. They obey certain set laws. Of course, this repudiation of free will is troubling, for it entails the repudiation of not only existentialism but also of morality. How can Hitler be held responsible for his actions if he had no control over them? The Holocaust was preordained, simply a result of physics, just like any other occurrence. The only person that can be held accountable for good and evil is God, or “God” (as the poetic representation for the unfathomable and the absurd), and barring that, we have to do away with the idea of good and evil altogether. Now I don’t suggest we give way to antinomianism and moral anarchy. We still have to act as if we have free will and we still will continue to do it. Humans are biologically programmed to believe they have free will, and it is impossible for us, who are human beings before we are philosophers, to disregard our instincts. But still, at some level, we have to realize that life as we know it is not really worth living. Not as rational creatures at any rate. If you can prove me wrong, I would be much obliged, because you would be restoring my resolve to live. As a way to get around it, I am thinking that perhaps consciousness occupies a fifth dimension, that its laws are completely different from those that govern the dimensions of space and time. Yet, for the moment at least, I have no real reason to adhere to this belief other than that I want to, which we know by now is not a good reason to hold anything in philosophy.
from dragonwench :
bohner: nah, /you/ rock the fucking casbah. I actually try to read you every day. you know how much work that is? jeezis! how dare you be so fucking clever! DWench.
from sourballs123 :
maybe i will i saw tom green go through his surgery
from lauralgood :
I do think you have a great way of expressing ideas. I do appreciate you sharing them. and we all know more than we will ever really admit to...smiles and hugs. Laural
from doc-sarvis :
http://www.cia.gov/employment/garner/garner_hi.html
from living-lulu :
Is this the same Jess I use-to know? Well I clicked on your banner, read your page and it brought back some memories...Army of Darkness or sumtin' like that. : )
from doc-sarvis :
That's how I leave my pants everynight, in case there's a fire and I have to get into them quickly.
from kerbang :
I have a friend (unclepumpkin.diaryland.com) who watched Muppet Treasure Island (or MTI as he called it) every day for months and months and months. Like, I'm not kidding every single day. I would call him and ask him what he was doing and he would say "Watching Muppet Treasure Island." Yeah. So that's my Muppet Treasure Island story.
from doc-sarvis :
Re: Yr Mom: I totally understand. I barely even talk with my father anymore. I try to communicate with him mostly on e-mail because I get worked up so easy.
from doc-sarvis :
1. The “Pick your feet in Poughkeepsie” entry was written after I saw “The French Connection” for the first time, totally uncut. I was so blown away, I watched it over and over again for a couple of days. If you rent one movie about 1970’s New York this…Make it “The French Connection”! Or, “The Taking of Pelham 1-2-3”. It’s the only movie, I ever felt really deserved the Oscar for Best Picture. 2. I loved “Malibu’s Most Wanted”. I’m totally that guy. 3. I recently had to retire those shark slippers. I got them about 7 years ago at a Secret Santa. I just got new Sharks, but they’re mule-style, and I’m still getting used to them. 4. Neighbor Sex: I think we both can agree, it shouldn’t happen before 8am. 5. Well. Since you’re sharing your secret journal with me, I’ll share mine with you. Actually it’s a journal I started and stopped when I think my father found it. Rather than make you read the whole thing, I’ve selected the choicest cuts, from the realization something was wrong with me, to after the first surgery. You should just skim most of them…Forgive me for the long note: First symptoms: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/020913_8.html Scenes from a biopsy: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/021229_13.html More Symptoms: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/031106_72.html Panic: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/031110_10.html Fear and Loathing: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/031202_5.html Melodramatic Premonition: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/031203_59.html The Day After the Diagnosis: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/031211_95.html Pittsburgh and the Great Castration: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/031216_71.html My Father, The Prick: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/031221_25.html Nerves: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/031222_72.html Outpatient: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/031223_43.html After: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/031224_73.html Pubes: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/031224_55.html MR. Hanky visits the Invalid: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/031226_10.html Fear, again and a trip to the Land of the Eunuchs: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/031230_35.html Melodramatic Nurse Fantasy: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/040102_4.html TMI, Fight Club Analysis: http://hayduke72.diaryland.com/040108_15.html
from doc-sarvis :
That's why they have Superhero Insurance in the comic books these days, I guess...
from doc-sarvis :
Ai yi, yi! I can't even keep up with you today! I'm still kind of on the run, but I'd guess you'd know if "Malibu's Most Wanted" was an accurate depiction of Californian life than I would...Anyways. I have a proposal for a future, patented "Jes Bohner Examines a Moral and Ethical Quandry". It was inspired by a movie which just came out. Here goes: If a man, who is basically good at heart, accidentally attaches some really wicked and mean mechanical arms (which he designed himself) to himself through an act of hubris, and those arms make him do wicked and mean things (or are they just uninhibiting him), is the man responsible for his actions which include the destruction of persons and property? Discuss. (More later.)
from influence :
No problem. You make a lot of good arguments, even if some are too logical. I like too logical, it's stimulating. Applied science always struck me as just so much job training.
from gonjalove :
Hello Jes, remember moi??
from crying-dove :
Damn, you are good
from doc-sarvis :
Uh oh. I wanted to leave you a note regarding my buddy's sweatshirt, but I think it dissapeared into cyber-oblivion... I've got a hoodie too. It says "Cleveland". Maybe I should get some extra words put on the back...'Masturbating is not a crime in...Cleveland...' (It should be though...). (Ok. I'm not being funny this morning. I'm still sort of on West Coast time.)
from gumphood :
Actually yes, I have talked to her a few times because she is interesting, but I never added her and we never stuck. But it's not so much out of not liking her stuff. More out of being lazy.
from doc-sarvis :
EXCELLENT!!!! hahah! That's just how it happened too!
from doc-sarvis :
No rush! I hope when I'm done with mine, you'll let me on...The Team!
from sourballs123 :
hey i just joined the club of i don't like your diary so i must tell you so (meaning someone left me a look at yourself bitch comment on my tagboard) bye
from doc-sarvis :
I'll be out of town until Tuesday, so take your time! I went to art school, man...don't force it...just let it slide out... Tell you what...I'll draw a picture of you and Sydney Anne...
from doc-sarvis :
I'll be out of town until Tuesday, so take your time! I went to art school, man...don't force it...just let it slide out... Tell you what...I'll draw a picture of you and Sydney Anne...
from doc-sarvis :
You and Jennifer Garner kicking ass Alias-style of course...
from doc-sarvis :
Trust me. I know what to wear to make the ladies, *crazy*. Are you going to draw something today? Please, please, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeze...
from doc-sarvis :
That's not my "sad" look, that's my "intense" look.
from jimmysworld :
slutty girls are the girls that make the world go round. With out them, women would take over. You are your own worst enemy. Think gays are the problem. Big Titted Bimbos are. And god they love it when I am mean to them.
from sourballs123 :
thanks i like it too i
from carvsolo :
Hiya, Jes. I found your site through CheshireLuci, and I found her by joining an Oklahoma blogring. Anyway, I'm just amazed there are actual atheistic Republicans in the world. Keep on rockin'. Your pal--Carv.
from jesbohn :
sigh, i could be wrong. all morality could be subjective. but given the world in which i live, i dont think it impacts me any less. i mean, i still have a code that i have to follow given the law, and, arbitraty or not (i could just be horrendously brianwashed), i still have a personal belief that this code is just and right, which is my motivation for following it. it kinda doesnt matter on a strictly personal level wether morality is universal or subjective, it doesnt change my behaviour.
from jesbohn :
ok, i actually laughed out loud at thiat first part. sure, i agree, if the world though that 2+2=5 (given our understanding of twos and fives) that would not make it a fact. but moral facts are different. they are eventually groundless, like any belief, so you can't assert them like mathmatical proof. but what you can say about them is that they hold up to the standard of a moral fact: when enough people when placed in a collected mindset (where they do not know the impact of their choice)would agree to a condition as being morally wrong, it becomes so true that to not assert that position would be, well, as gould puts it, "perverse". in this case, enough people believing it, for a long enough time, and believing it in the right setting, (veil of ignorance kinda set up, no knowledge of who you are or what the impact of the moral judgement would have on you) and with logical reasoning, to not be on board with the crowd with such a moral stance would constitute an improper view of the stance. Here is why i feel comfortable going on with this. there are universal laws about math that exist without people. math doesn't need people to be true, it just is. there is no value judgement given to the square root of 64. it just is. however; rape, murder, theft... those things need people to exist. who else is going to give them value judgements? rape is bad. why? people say so. people say so especially when they don't know wether or not they are going to be the ones gettig raped, or how rape will impact them. the view is so widley agreed upon that it is held as inherantly wrong, has essentially become a MORAL fact. arbitrary if extreemly removed, sure. but for our lives here, on earth, where we are not removed and work within the system of earth and its constraints, its a fact. well, moral fact.
from slapj :
1. Well, I am not looking for a law to shoot people, just you specifically, haha. ;-) 2. The fact remains that just because most people would not be down with it, that it is still arbitrary. And you said, "a standard so held, it can be asserted as a fact" which is directly contradicting the fallacy. That just because something is widely held as the truth does not make it the truth.
from jesbohn :
a reasonable man would not allow a law allowing you to shoot me because behind the veil of ignorance, he would not take the chance that that person being legally shot could be him. peole just don't do that. they don't want to get shot in the face, and they don't want you to be able to legally shoot them. sorry dude, its just the way it is. if you live on earth, you have to accept that. if not, dont bother writig me a return note. if you think people would allow for a law where they could get shot in the face legally, we are living on different levels of reality and dont really speak the same language. i think i need to specify, i am not saying there are moral facts like facts saying that 1+1=2, i am saying that there are moral facts like no one in a calm cool collected mindest would make decisions or behave in such a way that, not knowing the outcome of the situation, they would make. no one would say that rape is ok, if they didn't know wether or not they would be the ones getting raped. they just wouldn't. its not an imperical fact, like math, but that standard doesn't apply here. we are talking about laws and universal rights for humans by humans. a standard so held, it can be asserted as a fact. and that standard is just as arbitrary or not as accepting the evidence to believe in god so that you can then create a system that asserts the laws of the bible. the laws of the bible are only so sound as the evidence for the God which gave them credibility. and back again to the groundlessness of belief. we are at a standstill. i am telling you josh, we will never reconcile our differences. but you can keep trying...
from slapj :
1. Why wouldn't a reasonable man allow a law allowing me to shoot you? 2. I already pointed out that your idea about morals is a logical fallacy. That fallacy being argumentum ad populum. For those following who don't know what that means, I will explain. The definition is as follows: "A proposition is held to be true because it is widely held to be true or is held to be true by some (usually upper crust) sector of the population." If you are not asserting these morals to be universal (thus avoiding the fallacy), then they are arbitrary and do not matter to me unless they happen so coincide with my set of morals.
from jesbohn :
also, does saying that you get your morals from god and the bible, so they are facts (or even better than mine) make them so. asserting that your morals are from the bible so they are facts seems to side step again the eitire problem. is the bible an accurate souce for information? if not, then me saying that my morals are facts because they come from most humans as being the best course of action seems as admisible an answer as you have getting your moral code from the bible. more so, i think, since a moral code so accepted it becomes fact caters to the people who created the code. the bible doesnt seem to cater to people at all.
from jesbohn :
like i said, a reasonable man would not allow a law allowing you to shoot me. Ever heard of Rawals? hes a nifty dude, he said that its a standard we make by placing ourselves outside of this world, outside of ourselves, and seeign what set of laws would best be for the community if you could abandon your own interests. its called a veil of ignorance. no one, behind the veil, would allow such a law to be in place. and there may be cases where it it morally acceptable to shoot me, like, if i rape a child. or if shooting me is necessary to defend yourself because i am attacking you, There are only certain things i think are moral absolutes.
from slapj :
Yikes. Logical fallacy here (argumentum ad populum). If I can get enough people to say it is morally acceptable for me to shoot you, thus winning this argument, then would that make it moral? No way, Jose.
from slapj :
1. I don't expect you to incorporate it into your belief system, I am just telling you that according to what Sir William of Ockham said, the principle of parsimony does not apply to divine revelation. You are telling me that the Bible is not divine revelation, so it doesn't count. I am disagreeing. i dont believe in God, the evidence seems insufficent, so why would i turn to the text which is given its relevance and meaning by God as a way to find answers about free will? 2. I do not have to provide ample evidence of God to argue for the Christian worldview. I think I just have to show all other worldviews as lacking and show that the Christian worldview makes most sense by it's own suppositions. 3. If in your Christian morality, in your mind, is arbitrary, then all morality is. You said in one of your articles that there are universal rights and universal wrongs. How can you possibly say that conisdering your own worldview? 4. Theonomy is the belief that the civil law set up by God in the OT is still binding today.
from slapj :
1. Yes, I read quite a few of the articles on your site. They're very entertaining.Your stock arguments don't really interact with what mine would be. Also, I wouldn't be arguing to prove God exists because I do not believe in natural theology, what I would be arguing is that the Christian theistic worldview is the only worldview that can provide the necessary preconditions for intelligible human experience (e.g. reasoning, scientific enterprise, and ethical judgments). 2. Christian morality *is* incorporated into our system of laws to a certain degree. Where does any morality come from? I claim that it is borrowed from the Chrsitian theistic paradigm. Otherwise all morality is arbitrary and what is in accord with good and what is right is subjective. If you are talking about theonomy (which is something I do not care to argue about since I hardly understand it) then I do not see how you could argue against it considering your atheistic worldview. 3. I say that the Bible is divine revelation and Ockham says that it (divine revelation) cannot be discounted as unnecessary. You would either ask me to prove it is divine revelation (which I cannot do empirically) or you would have to prove that it is not divine revelation.
from slapj :
1. I do not remember asking for proof. I think what I said was, "If you are going to use such a statement to attempt to show frostedlemon's analogy invalid then you should be able to back it up." Although something in the language of my later notes might've implied something else. 2. I understand you aren't a theist and therefore wouldn't begin to take into account anything written in the Bible as valid evidence. That does not mean that it is not valid evidence and since the law of parsimony ("For nothing ought to be posited without a reason given, unless it is self-evident or known by experience or proved by the authority of Sacred Scripture.”) does not apply considering said evidence is from "Sacred Scripture". The fact that you're an atheist does not mean you can write it off as unnecessary. 3. Will arguing about my belief in God get us anywhere? I am not certain. I think it could be kind of fun. Plus, wouldn't you want to "blow [my] argument out of the water." And I do not doubt that you just might do that. Who knows? ;-)
from slapj :
1. Why extrapolate information that there is no evidence for? Are you saying there is no evidence for divine providence? I believe you are invoking Ockham's razor here; “Don't multiply entities beyond necessity." Well, a quote from Sir William of Ockham, “For nothing ought to be posited without a reason given, unless it is self-evident (literally, known through itself) or known by experience or proved by the authority of Sacred Scripture.” Ockham's razor does not apply to divine revelation. I cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the idea of divine providence is known from divine revelation or that there is even such a thing as divine revelation (though Ockham thought there was) but it cannot be disproven either. I imagine you will now hold me responsible for providing some decent epistemic evidence for the existance of God therefore allowing the idea of divine revelation. 2. No, no, not shame on me. I were merely holding you accountable to what you said, haha. ;-) 3. Ah yes, you did not articulate that point clearly enough as for me to pick up on it.
from slapj :
1. Your evidence is not very convincing. How do you know that your perception of your own mind is reliable? You very well could be confusing "[your] own power to have the will to choose" with God's foreordination. 2. Of course I cannot prove free-will or the lack of such a thing. There is certainly no empirical evidence, but I do believe there may be convincing epistemic evidence (at least once one accepts the Christian theistic paradigm or worldview). 3. Why is it not logical? If God is the epitome of good and logic is a reflection of His unchanging attributes, then it stands that anything He says is good (which is everything He does) is logical. In Proverbs 16:4 it says that God made even the wicked for the day of evil. 4. God tested Abraham that He might make full trial of the faith of His servant. Why God chose to interact in this manner is something I do not know. God acted according to His own pleasure. Psalm 135:6 -- Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in all deep places. 5. If you want what evidence I have that God does exist...well, that is another argument. I can send you a paper I wrote on it if you'd like. 6. Proverbs 16:4 coupled with Psalm 135:6 should be enough back-up for my previous #5. 7. In regards to your "alright God people you can have this one" article. It is merely saying God has foreknowledge. I am saying that God foreordains. 8. I believe in divine providence. Not fate.
from slapj :
1. I'd like to see your exegesis of the text to prove that God grants us free will. If you are talking about the Adam and Eve story then that is a very poor indicator of free will. Adam and Eve sinned but there was a cause. Look at Isaiah 45:5-7 -- “I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these." God says he is the ultimate cause of everything. 2. Why does fate have to be the alternative to free will? What about divine providence? 3. If there is no way to prove free will or fate or divine providence then how can you say with any degree of certainty that you choose or do not choose to be Christian? 4. Are you saying that because there may appear to be other viable alternatives to a particular course of action that it makes a good case that you have free will because you followed through with one rather than the other(s)? Who is to say that the impetus for your actions were not fate or divine providence rather than free will? 5. Within my paradigm (Christian theism) I most certainly can hold people responsible for their actions -- God does. 6. Saying you know you choose because you know you choose is so circular that one could get dizzy rather quickly, haha.
from slapj :
Also, merely reasserting that you have a choice doesn't begin to prove anything.
from slapj :
Not all Christians believe in free will. Look into the soteriological doctrine of Calvinism, particularly the point about effectual atonement.
from slapj :
I noticed something you said in a note to frostedlemon. You said, "you choose to be a christian." That statement shifts the burden of proof to lie squarely on your shoulders. Does one choose to be Christian, jesbohn? If you are going to use such a statement to attempt to show frostedlemon's analogy invalid then you should be able to back it up. If one does indeed choose, how?
from salazabr :
WHOA!! I NEVER meant to imply that Sexyatheist didn't have the mental capacity to discuss religion. Quite the opposite in fact, I've found her quite adept at discussing a variety of topics including religion. I was trying to imply that Frostedlemon was an idiot and shouldn't be talking about someone a lot smarter than herself. If my note was mis-interpreted I'm sorry and will try to be clearer next time.
from godmoney :
u r.... awesome awesome awesome awesome awesome awesome awesome. if u were a dud i'd be all over u.
from reviewgump :
Don't worry Jes. I do it all the time too. So just go to this site, and leave a note. Have that note have a "magic word" in it, which is making fun of those review site that have the magic word to make sure you read the rules. Then I will review you.
from blackpanty :
Found you through punk-loser. I like reading what people have to say about people, makes the world "fun". I like to see other people's opinions and then add to my search of truth and thought and try and form an answer that might work. I'm just a strange person looking for answers that aren't invisible and "up in the sky". Be reading more of you soon!
from sourballs123 :
oh thats some thing i like to do to be random
from sourballs123 :
holla in what ???? was it some shit i wrote in your comments
from asterix13 :
Horray for big tits!!! I'm glad you can share my pain. Or pleasure. Chris is dancing around me doing something that resembles the running man. It's a little ridiculous. He's a horrible dancer... but he sucks a mean dick. kat*
from onlyou203 :
Hey~~ i don't feel like writing a note, so i'm gonna write you an email ok? make sure to check for it.
from onlyou203 :
let me think...add you to "save your soul"......nope i dont think i did that one. i added you b/c what you say is interesting, but i still think you should consider christianity...but i'm not gonna lecture you so, yea... later
from onlyou203 :
Hey~~ i want to say that christianity is NOT something i think should be forced on everyone...christianity is a choice, not something forced on everyone. If someone wants to go to heaven than yes, they do have to be a christian, but i do not think anyone should be forced to become a christian. in fact it says that in the bible. i don't want you thinking that everyone should be forced to be christians, but i do want you to know that the bible is perfection. things that were sayed by prophets came true hundreds of years later (way after they died). do you think that happend on mere coincidence? no it happened because everything in the bible is true. Love in Christ~~
from acid-forming :
hehehe. yes. a perfect circle. mMmMmMmMm. they're yummy!
from acid-forming :
OF COURSE!! thank you! ♥
from acid-forming :
rad. when?
from rosedreaming :
holy hell my friend...that isn't my guest book. I just left "username" in the spot so that I could put one in later...I think someone must have a guestbook that is really called "username" how creative :(
from hateyerlife :
you heathen! you are going to hell! my god is omnipresent and omnipotent and he knows where you live! just kidding. i love your jesus is so dead entry and your 311 entry also. great diary.
from jesbohn :
Ok, which one of you guys go to NYU????
from jesbohn :
oh is THAT what science is. dolt. the question was "if you can say God has existed since the dawn of time, why do you have such a problem with saying science or a scientific explination is the same way", not "what is science and how does evolution work and how does something come from nothing and why are my boogers green" gah, i could write more, but i dont want to waste my time right now.
from emoheartsyou :
science: The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena plus, how could science create something out of nothing?? ..if evolution is clearly manifested in our world, then there must have been a time in which there was nothing. and then there's the ever-present question of how, if atoms always just "existed", life randomly burst into the spectrum.
from nypizzas2 :
Re: your last note Ditto.
from nypizzas2 :
Your whole diary rocks my socks off, you crazy atheist. Question:"kk"-Yeah Yeah from The Sandlot? (If you don't know what I'm talking about, ignore that please.) Rock on child
from boxx9000 :
You're probably right about your law professors not appreciating the fine art of Valentine bags. You're always welcome to come to my First Grade class and make any of the *cool* projects we do, like SOCK snowmen. Law school? Is that like memorizing all the laws ever made?
from hate-mail :
We are two girls...the pranksters of diaryland. We will fulfill your requests, just leave ur name, name of the person u hate and want to send hate-mail, and what they did to u! And we will keep who u are annonymous! Leave us a note, email one of us, chat w/ one of us on AIM, MSN, or leave us a note stating who you want to send the email (both of us can or if you don't care). We will also chat with the person on AIM or MSN is neeeded...thanx and...uh...yeah.
from littlecynic :
is this not the most neglected part of anyones diary? anyway, ill have to get back to you on the whole woodchuck thing...consulting with my heavenly father on that one... "jeezuuuus las vegas"--elvis (sorta)
from jesbohn :
cleanliness = godlieness
from jesbohn :
why dont people who cut themselves to "feel pain" just walk into door ways and bang their knees on coffee tables?
from jesbohn :
using the accent from whence the eccentric vocabulary word you finagled out of the dictionary doesnt make you sound cultured. it just makes you sound like a dick.

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